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Post by Gamer-=Of-God=- (Tim) on Dec 28, 2005 12:29:14 GMT -5
Well we don't think so. By saying those you are using the Lord's name in vain.
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Post by crazy1redneck on Dec 28, 2005 14:00:23 GMT -5
While I am not arguing that we allow words that are less than savory on our server, I would argue that the same way that language can make one word perverse over time, it can also evolve to make words lose meaning over time. Our language is evolving and words like gee or golly may once have been used in place of the Lord's name, but children are taught different now. When a words meaning is no longer known to the masses and the person saying it doesn't have any intent to use the Lord's name in vain, then they aren't. I believe that God in all his infinite wisdom knows when a person has sinned in their hearts even if the word never crosses their lips(or their keyboard). I have known people who said the s and f words like sailors, but with no meaning behind them. On the other hand you can have a "Christian" who never says any of the "wrong" words, but who says all of the right words with malice in his heart. I believe the latter of the two is the greater evil. Just my two cents anyways.
Another thing we might want to consider, is that some of those are word origins, not current meanings.
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Post by Seraphim (Tyler) on Jan 9, 2006 0:27:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the list...As others said, it is interesting to get this background.
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Post by Gardener-=Of-God=- on Jan 18, 2006 19:53:30 GMT -5
Our language is evolving and words like gee or golly may once have been used in place of the Lord's name, but children are taught different now. When a words meaning is no longer known to the masses and the person saying it doesn't have any intent to use the Lord's name in vain, then they aren't. Well, that may be true for some people, but I have always been taught that those words were not acceptable. In my opinion, if there are people that know the connection of a word and take offense, than it's not a word we should use or allow (even if there are some other people that don't know). If almost no one at all has any idea that it was once used as a replacement word (apart from trivia tidbits they've seen) than I'd agree, but I don't think that's true of those words...
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Post by Monk-=Of-God=- (Denny) on Jan 19, 2006 1:15:53 GMT -5
OK, while I do agree that words that do not have their original meaning and are used with an entirely different meaning than their intended form, to that person, I do not believe it is wrong. However, as far as the server goes, words such as that should be prohibited for those who would use their correct interpertation.
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Post by oktober on Jan 20, 2006 17:48:52 GMT -5
Who decided that "Gee" and "Golly" use the Lord's name in vain anyway? Isn't it just word that expresses frustration. It's a man made word, not actually saying God's name (We don't pray, Dear Gee as in comparison to "Dear God") I don't think some of them are using the Lord's name in vain simply because they are NOT God' name. Just my thought
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Post by Gardener-=Of-God=- on Jan 20, 2006 18:41:21 GMT -5
I think you may have missed the definition there, Dan. That means it is a replacement word; it isn't the same word, it a word that was created to use profanity but not actually say "that word".
Besides, it doesn't really matter how the word started or what some people think of it because there are enough people who know what it means (again, even if they were wrong it wouldn't matter) and consider it offensive (me included) that it can't be allowed. Do you not agree with that?
-Paul-
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Post by steveo1032 on Jan 20, 2006 20:13:31 GMT -5
I think there is an echo in this part of the forum because the same thing keeps getting said by both sides. They're wrong, they're not wrong; ok, we know where most everybody stands and their view isn't changing. This train is going "nowhere fast". I think it's important as believers to respect each other. And you know what, even though some of us may think that some of those words are ok to use; we should try not to use them just for the simple fact that other people don't like them. There's no point in arguing over something like that. Just have some love and respect for other people. It's not going to hurt you to not say "gee" or "golly". My 2 cents.
In Christ's Love, Steve
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Post by Dynasty-=Of-God=- (David) on Jan 20, 2006 20:38:53 GMT -5
I totally agree with you Steve (you definately are Of-God's Maine man lol). I don't mind those words but I respect people who do so I try to refrain from using them.
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Post by oktober on Jan 20, 2006 23:13:22 GMT -5
That means it is a replacement word; it isn't the same word, it a word that was created to use profanity but not actually say "that word". I find that hard to believe, but I will anyway. In my opinion, i really don't think "Gee" and "Golly" are using God's name in vain (as I described before). It's a matter of whether you think its offensive or not. Seeing as I don't think its offensive (and neither do my friends) we nearly use it openly to express frustration or amusement. But on the otherhand, I see that it is offensive to the clan, so I will, of course, refrain from using it. One of my teacher's famous quotes always sticks in my head: " What is appropriate right now?" I think that's very wise words of wisdom when handling controversial issues, depending on the group that you're with.
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Post by Peace-=Of-God=- on Jan 21, 2006 0:48:06 GMT -5
Hmmm ... very interesting comments, Dan, coming from someone who swore out loud -- not a euphemism, not an acronym, but the actual use of God's Name in vain -- as a guest in our Bible Study (of all places : on our Ventrilo server last night. (BTW -- several people heard you say it, and they all saw how you quickly disconnected, hoping that no one would notice it was you. ) That pretty much discounts anything that you might want to say about what is and what is not swearing, doesn't it?? Bottom line: Our policy is NO PROFANITY, NO EUPHEMISMS OF PROFANITY, NO ACRONYMS OF PROFANITY. Like it or lump it, take it or leave it -- that is how we operate -- and that goes for Ventrilo as well as for the server chat. END OF DISCUSSION.
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