banning peeps because of issues

[Soil (Tommy)]

I hope i got the right section this time...

anyway, this is something that i have been confused about... and sorry... but i question what happened.

I was playing in the of-god server, Someone was telling me how they got a lucky head shot on me, and said something that would be questional... but not many people even consider it a questionable word. After he was told that he swore, he said he was sorry and that he didnt know it was considered an obscenity. I could easily tell that he was honest with this and that he would not say it again.

Just a little later, I had found that he left... I am hoping that he was not booted... but that is what it looked like. I do not see how this can be justified. it was clear he did not have any intention of saying ANYTHING obscene, and after he had said he was sorry, he was banned?? We are the body of God, should it not be our duty to love on others and forgive others? especially when they are truly sorry and did not know what they did?

After asking why he was booted... I was then told by others in the server (not the of-gods) that I should not be questioning the actions done or I TOO would be banned. What happened here, and WHY do the visitors of this server have fear and warn me for my questioning? There should be no FEAR in the presence of a lover of God. There should be a fealing of PEACE.

I need what has happened to be explained to me. And why was I being THREATENED of being banned as well?

this post is not out of anger in any way, I just want to understand, and if need be, to question how people are being treated by my fellow followers of Christ.

[Soil (Tommy)]

oops... should this have just been a direct pm to peace??

[cangiano]

Sorry I wasn't there when alot of this stuff went down. I have a nasty habit of trolling the forums when I die. However, when an incident occurs between an Of-God and another player it's quite advisable to not get involved. Obviously it was over with if the player was warned and not kicked. I would suggest not getting involved in others problems.

[Soil (Tommy)]

... this is exactly what i am talking about, this isnt simply some clan, this is a house of those who have a heart for god, there should be no reason for me to be looked down upon or be warned I am going beyond my limits, I was there when this happened, and I disagree with what was done about it, the guy wasnt warned, he was (as it appeared) booted from the server. I for one, did not think of what he said as an obscenity, but one of the of gods did, so the of god told him he swore, the guy said he was sorry and that he did not know it was an obsenity, then he was gone. I am not getting involved in the problem, I am getting involed in how it was handled.

nice siggy by the way law ;D

[cangiano]

Doing that in chat is not the way to disagree. It questions the authority of those of us empowered with the responsibility of running the server as cleanly as possible. When you question that it is anarchist and breeds a rebellious spirit among the players. Disagree all you like here at the forums, but never question an admin decision.

[Soil (Tommy)]

this of course i understand... ... and thank you, that does make sense about what goes on in game... i also understand that some can say something or do something obscene and not know if it is sin or not... but i saw no love or comapssion for the person as a result

[cangiano]

I do not believe he was kicked, just warned, but like I said, I wasn't there for most of it.

[Peace-=Of-God=-]

Let me lay it on the line for you, Tommy. -=UCS=-[bLaCk.OuT] said something that he shouldn't have said, and he got spoken to about it by another player (who was not even wearing an -=Of-God=- tag). bLaCk.OuT did say that he didn't know that he shouldn't say it -- but then both you and he kept going on and on about it in the server chat. This is a direct violation of server rule #6 (see below).

BTW, he was still in the server nearly the whole time that you were there; he did not get banned until about 5 seconds before you got a five-minute timeout for arguing with the admin.

He got his ban, not for the original vulgar language, nor even for the arguing about it later, but for his extremely cavalier attitude toward profanity and his attempt to impose his standards on OUR server, and I quote --

relax ofgod dudes its just a game and everyone here im sure has heard all these swears now a days

He will not be back on our servers after our next banlist update; there is no room on our servers for those who will not submit to the authority of the server admins and server rules.

As for your own five-minute timeout: -=Of-God=- Server Rule #6 specifically states --

In addition, all decisions on removing players from the server are to be regarded as FINAL as far as the server chat goes. If you have a problem with our removal of someone from the server, then please come to our forum and take it up with us there. Challenging the server admins' removal decisions in the game console chat will very likely result in another removal -- yours. Respect the admin, respect other players, respect yourself. R-E-S-P-E-C-T -- if you don't know how to show it, you'll find out what it means to us.

In most cases, the disrespect that you showed toward our admins tonight would likely have earned you an instant ban from our servers for your violation of the above rule. (BTW, I have screenshots of everything that you and he said in that conversation; I took them myself, since I was there.)

This is not the kind of attitude that we look for in a potential -=Of-God=- recruit; I advise that you take a good look at your words and actions tonight, and see if you really think that they measure up with the ideals that we have posted on our website. If there's something that you need to change to fit those ideals, we'd be happy to help you with it.

Bottom line: do not start a fight with the admin in the server chat again -- it will unfortunately be your last.

[Soil (Tommy)]

... hmm... I actually did not catch that he said that, I do not usually hit the ` key... what he said about of god must have scrolled down before I could read it... I actually had no idea he said that.

I am glad to know however that he was not banned for the actual word... and I am sorry that I fought about it.

I have gone through the ideals before, I knew what they were ahead of time.

At the time this went on, I was thinking differently of the actions being done... I was not trying to get in the way... I thought something was being done that seemed unjust. If I would have known why he was banned, you wouldnt have heard anything from me...

I was not trying to argue on the server until he was banned, before then I was merely agreeing that what was said was indeed unintentional and would not happen again.

I am sorry for how I acted last night, but please dont degrade me in any way for defending him... plus if I would have seen what he said... I would have said nothing of his ban.

also, If I do find anything wrong again, I will be sure to have it brought up here, not in the server. The server should just be for fun, comments belong apart from the server.

I am sorry.

[Blood (Dean)]

Now you can see why we have that rule, don't argue with the admins. Because 9/10 times... people don't see the whole picture, all the comments made, etc.

All is cool now, no? See ya in Mout!

[Soil (Tommy)]

ya... sorry... Hope to see you on tonight.

and ya... I see why that rule is there

[Peace-=Of-God=-]

Yep, NP. And as I said, he wasn't removed from the server until just before you were -- you just didn't see him in the list (even though he was there) and assumed that he had been banned. He was still there when you were asking where he was and what had happened to him.

It's all good -- just keep the rules in mind when you're playing. Hope to see you again soon!

[Soil (Tommy)]

LOL are you serious??

so he was right there as I was asking where he was huh?... thats embarresing.

[Peace-=Of-God=-]

LOL, don't worry, I seem to recall (don't have the shots with me to verify it, but I think it's so) that he was alive at the time, so he didn't see it.

[Dream-=Of-God=-]

Lol, and I must confess. -=UCS=-bLACK.OUt (or whatever) when he first got into the server used the running nade bug to nade Blue Building alley. As a token of my appreciation for his abuse of the rules(since he knows that's a bug) I decided to close the door on him, preventing him from getting into the Blue Building, and getting him killed. =/

I felt bad afterwards, but I knew I couldn't do anything about the running nade bug except warn him. I just HATE it when people have to resort to using exploits of the game and can't play normal like the rest of us. You're no better than the cheaters out there.

[Soil (Tommy)]

umm i think i am a sadder person... I have no idea how the exploits even work lol.

[Dream-=Of-God=-]

Well honestly in this situation I can say that ignorance is bliss.

It's good that you don't know how to exploit the game. I know some, and yes in the past I've used them, but I told myself I'm better than that, I don't need to lower myself like most people do in this game. As Ernie says, I gotz mad skillz, dawg.

[cangiano]

Yes you do Dream, and as far as the running nade, just say the word and he's gone from the server just as quick as I can get the command typed.

[Soil (Tommy)]

yes... ignorance is bliss in this case... but i dont think i would use them even if i knew what they were, I would feel that I am taking the fun out of it for the others if I am slaughtering uncontrolably.

[Peace-=Of-God=-]

Calairoth said:

I would feel that I am taking the fun out of it for the others if I am slaughtering uncontrolably.

Good thing that Dream doesn't feel that way -- he'd always be Grumpy about making so many people sad. ;D Me, I usually let people kill me a lot just so they feel better about themselves -- hey, yeah, that's it! Right on!