Rule modification

[pendulum]

2. DEFENDING IS A LEGITIMATE STRATEGY. Do not abuse or attempt to votekick people for defending objectives or waiting in ambush (even at spawn). If you really want an all-out assault battle, go play CounterStrike or the Battlefield series -- this is America's Army, and the goal of the game is first to SECURE and then to DEFEND the objectives. The words "camper" and "camping" should NOT be used in our servers, except in jest.

I would like to show my point of view on part of this rule, and see what others think.
"(even at spawn)"
Earlier today, me and a clan member of mine were on your server, and sometime into the session, as our team started to do good, the other team started camping. Big deal, I camp a lot, why do I care. Well, it wasn't strategic camping, they weren't watching an obj, they were "protecting" their frag-rates. They were camping in their spawn point, on Loyalty I believe (don't play the map much sorry), waiting for us to come rushing into it.
My problem is that for about 5-10 minutes, my team ran around getting objectives, and very rarely met up with an enemy. It was nice to get some quick points in, but it wasn't fun. It was just sprint, get obj, sprint, get obj, you get my point. They were not doing anything useful sitting where they were. They weren't looking out of the building, they just waited inside.
I don't want a counterstrike style game play, I hate CS, but I want at least some opposition. I want it to seem like there is actually an enemy out there, either protecting or hunting I don't care, but sitting there useless watching around a corner that where enemies shouldn't even be (if they are there to win) is NOT a real tactic, and should not be mistaken as one.

Thanks for reading
[^F-Pendulum.]

P.S. My clan seems to be playing Mout more, so I will say sorry in advance for their behavior, please don't judge all of us just by one person's mistakes.

[andrewbuddy12]

I have engaged in the activity that you're talking about, but I also see your point. But, as this is a clan policy you will just have to wait for a response from a Leadership Council member, or Peace-=Of-God=- himself. thanks for being patient.

[Goodness]

Why you want to go loyality ?you don't need to go loyality there is no obj .
so leave him there .
take obj. and force him to come out that simple.
if you're at loyality you can watch the middle of the map ,church and blue rushers going into gray ,also tunnel rushers you can hear ,and opfor seeing enter the back of A
so basic it's a good spot .
But i enjoy playing with you guy's yesterday at the server.
So leave them and take objectives,they will protect it ,or they have no points .
Because fragrate doesn't count here in this Clan .

[Gardener-=Of-God=-]

I can see your point, and I absolutely agree that there is such a thing as unsportsmanlike camping, but agreeing that it exists is a far cry from supporting a rule against it. If you have a rule, someone has to enforce it. It would be nice if we could just ask people to not play for fragrate and everyone would respond, but that's not how it works. You see, there are not hard and fast rules that constitute unsportsmanlike camping; as Danny said, there are instances in which camping in the Loyalty building is a completely legitimate and even almost necessary tactic (particularly when the opposing players take to the street willy-nilly and uses brash rushes to gain advantage).

So in order to enforce such a rule, the admins would have to make a judgment call every time someone was camping near spawn to decide whether it was legitimate or not. That is often a very difficult decision and we, like all other server admins, are not perfect, and cannot be relied upon to make perfect and totally uniform judgment calls like that. I'm sure most of us have witnessed server admins who kick players for "excessive camping" and then proceed to camp just as hard themselves, and I think we can agree that is far worse than no rule at all. In addition, even if we could make perfect and uniform decisions that were completely fair, there would always be players who would disagree anyway and hostility towards our clan would no doubt build.

So, in my opinion, any rule disallowing camping of any variety is unenforceable and therefore not viable. Still, I appreciate that you took an interest and came here to the forums to discuss the matter rather than simply making complaints on the server as so many players do. And although we do not attempt to force such behavior, I also appreciate seeing players on our server who value and show good sportsmanship over a drive to win and impress others.

-Paul-