People That Can Heal

[].[Man-Slaughter]

Has anyone seen people on t.v that supposely can heal people? I don't believe that they can. What are your thoughts on them and do you think it's a hoax to make money or do you believe it's real? Please respond.



Sincerely

MS

[Gardener-=Of-God=-]

First off, I tend to believe the spiritual gift of healing was one that existed only during apostolic times. Not to imply in any way, mind you, that God doesn't miraculously heal people today; it's abundantly clear that He does, but I don't think there are people around to whom God has granted the power to heal unequivocally.

In addition, if anyone was endowed with the spiritual gift of healing, I feel quite certain that he would NOT be using it to get wealth for himself through a TV show. I don't think God would grant such a special privilege to someone who would misuse it in that way. I would imagine that the gift would be used much as it was in the early church.

[].[Man-Slaughter]

I totally agree. Well somewhat. I still find the bible hard to believe.

[Reaper-=Of-God=-(Sam)†]

Thanks Paul for your (always) elequent answer. I agree 100%.

And Man, you are right, the Bible is hard to believe but it's 100% true. God has asked us to on faith believe what He has said in the Bible as He knows there are things there that just don't follow the laws of physics - which by the way God created. However remember that God is not subject to the law of physics - He is the God of all and He can be counted on... and ALL THINGS are possible through God.

[Strings-=Of-God=- (Bill)†]

Jun 16, 2008 10:20:52 GMT -5 Reaper-=Of-God=-(Sam)† said:

Thanks Paul for your (always) elequent answer. I agree 100%.

And Man, you are right, the Bible is hard to believe but it's 100% true. God has asked us to on faith believe what He has said in the Bible as He knows there are things there that just don't follow the laws of physics - which by the way God created. However remember that God is not subject to the law of physics - He is the God of all and He can be counted on... and ALL THINGS are possible through God.

You both hit home with them posts, nothing for me to add except I've seen many healings and something to remember is that not all churches persue the gifts so alot of people don't get to see that or experience the power of God.

[].[Man-Slaughter]

I'm more of I need to see it or for something to happen to me to get me to believe. I've had many thoughts about the bible. Like that it is like greek mythology. Stories made up by people to explain things and with each era it seems like its always a new thing to explain things. Greek mythology to Norse mythology to the era of the first bible to now science. I've also thought that maybe Jesus was a doctor or something and was just exaggerated more then he actually is.

Anyways, I just don't quite believe it. Maybe one day I will, untill then I'll keep my mind open. Also since I'm on the topic of the bible.

Did anyone know that the Church changed the story of Adam and Eve in the bible. It wasn't originally an apple but it was something Eve had done. That's what I'm told by one of my christian or i think catholic friends. ( I could really never tell the difference).

It's weird that I'm way more interested in other religions. Maybe it's because I never knew anything about them as a kid and always had the christian religion always pushed onto me. Also, I don't understand the rule that you should give the church like half of your paycheck or something like that. For me, in no way, shape or form, does that have to do with anything with going to heaven. I'm sure helping others would but to do that is a bit ridiculous.

So back to the original point of this topic. I don't believe that they can heal people or anything. The people could be paid or maybe the excitement makes them forget about any pain they have that they don't feel it untill after they are at home when they are at a normal state. Maybe I can ask them to heal my fragrate .

Does anyone else have an opinion on it.

Btw, I hope my post didn't offend anyone. I don't intend to but now a days it seems anything can offend people.

[Gardener-=Of-God=-]

Jun 16, 2008 17:39:45 GMT -5 ].[Man-Slaughter said:

I'm more of I need to see it or for something to happen to me to get me to believe. I've had many thoughts about the bible. Like that it is like greek mythology. Stories made up by people to explain things and with each era it seems like its always a new thing to explain things. Greek mythology to Norse mythology to the era of the first bible to now science. I've also thought that maybe Jesus was a doctor or something and was just exaggerated more then he actually is.

Anyways, I just don't quite believe it. Maybe one day I will, untill then I'll keep my mind open. Also since I'm on the topic of the bible.

You should know that there is significant evidence for the historicity of the Bible. An enormous number of the facts in it are corroborated by secular sources, and it would probably be considered the most valuable ancient historical document we have if it were not for the religious content. So don't be confused, even the most anti-Christian historians do not consider the Bible to be like Greek or Norse mythology. Along those same lines, we have significant secular and Christian extra-biblical information about Jesus and he was definitely not a doctor.

Jun 16, 2008 17:39:45 GMT -5 ].[Man-Slaughter said:

Did anyone know that the Church changed the story of Adam and Eve in the bible. It wasn't originally an apple but it was something Eve had done. That's what I'm told by one of my christian or i think catholic friends. ( I could really never tell the difference).

Actually the Bible doesn't mention what kind of fruit Eve ate, but I assure you, the story of Adam and Eve has been essentially the same for thousands of years. In fact, we have manuscripts from literally thousands of years ago that include the story.

Jun 16, 2008 17:39:45 GMT -5 ].[Man-Slaughter said:

It's weird that I'm way more interested in other religions. Maybe it's because I never knew anything about them as a kid and always had the christian religion always pushed onto me. Also, I don't understand the rule that you should give the church like half of your paycheck or something like that. For me, in no way, shape or form, does that have to do with anything with going to heaven. I'm sure helping others would but to do that is a bit ridiculous.

It's true that many Christians hold to the view that God commands us to give a tithe (or ten percent of our income) to our local church. However, salvation does NOT depend on this. Salvation is the result of faith and faith alone. Good works will come as a result of that salvation, but do not be confused or deceived; nothing we DO will ever get us entry into heaven. God looks at the heart, and the belief in the heart is what will change our position in His eyes.

You probably know this already, but Romans 3:23 tells us that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. The chapter goes on to say that we are justified as a gift by God's grace through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Our job is to accept that gift by putting our faith in Christ, and submitting to His lordship over our lives.

Jun 16, 2008 17:39:45 GMT -5 ].[Man-Slaughter said:

So back to the original point of this topic. I don't believe that they can heal people or anything. The people could be paid or maybe the excitement makes them forget about any pain they have that they don't feel it untill after they are at home when they are at a normal state. Maybe I can ask them to heal my fragrate .

Genuine divine healings do occur even today (although not generally in the same way the fake ones on TV do), and perhaps God will see fit to let you observe one first hand one day, but even if He doesn't, I hope you will put your faith in Him and find blessing far greater than any physical miracle.

God bless,
-Paul-

[Reaper-=Of-God=-(Sam)†]

Jun 16, 2008 17:39:45 GMT -5 ].[Man-Slaughter said:

Btw, I hope my post didn't offend anyone. I don't intend to but now a days it seems anything can offend people.

As long as you are expressing your ideas in a respectful way we are fine with alternate views here - else how can we discuss what is most important, that of the saving faith in Jesus Christ? You are not offending anyone, or I should say you certainly aren't offending me. Thanks for being honest and for reading the great responses from Paul with an open mind and heart. We are praying for you.

Sam

[].[Man-Slaughter]

Dr.Jesus does have a ring to it Could you tell me what events from the bible have historical events?


From the story I heard, Eve and Lucifer had a child. Who was Cain and then Eve and Adam had a child who was Abel and they were in the same stomach as they weren't made far apart. So then Cain killed Abel and it's been a battle between evil vs good untill Jesus came and he took our place and freed us from our sins.


Why would God command us to give him money? If I commanded money from you, wouldn't that be greed.


Actually I don't know any verses of the bible lol. I'll go read it when I get home from work.


I was talking to my church friend and he was telling me that people have been healed and when they have. Many have convereted to the religion. Also that the penticostal church is the ones that really delve into the healing and such. He continued to tell me of a story of how a priest went to a muslim country. Started to heal people and he asked who wants to be saved from Christ and the only village converted. Something like that is more believable to me then the TV healers. Also is it possible for someone to gain the 12 gifts of ummm i forget what it is but I'm sure you heard of it.

[Gardener-=Of-God=-]

Jun 17, 2008 12:43:07 GMT -5 ].[Man-Slaughter said:

Dr.Jesus does have a ring to it Could you tell me what events from the bible have historical events?

Various things events in the Old Testament have been backed up somewhat by archeology. Most of the cities mentioned with any detail in the Bible have been found, the repeated destruction and rebuilding of Jerusalem is evident from the ruins, and recently I was hearing (from a reliable source) that a secular archaeologist who spent decades in Jericho found evidence that some of its ancient walls actually fell outward (which of course doesn't generally happen when a city is besieged). That of course gives evidence that the walls fell without being attacked with instruments of war (as the Bible says they did).

There is much mention of Jesus in secular writings, even mentioning the events surrounding His resurrection from the dead. Of course the secular writers don't actually admit that He rose (if they had believed it, they wouldn't have been secular), but it is clear that He was crucified and His tomb was later found empty. Most secular historians today will tell you that, and you would be hard-pressed to find any who deny Jesus' existence. Actually, people who do not believe in His resurrection have come up with many supposed explanations (most being humorously improbable) for why His tomb was empty, so clearly they cannot deny the fact that it was.

Jun 17, 2008 12:43:07 GMT -5 ].[Man-Slaughter said:

From the story I heard, Eve and Lucifer had a child. Who was Cain and then Eve and Adam had a child who was Abel and they were in the same stomach as they weren't made far apart. So then Cain killed Abel and it's been a battle between evil vs good untill Jesus came and he took our place and freed us from our sins.

Now THAT is truly mythology. Perhaps some group has thought that in the past, but I assure you, that has never been a Christian or Jewish belief.

Jun 17, 2008 12:43:07 GMT -5 ].[Man-Slaughter said:

Why would God command us to give him money? If I commanded money from you, wouldn't that be greed.

Well, obviously the situation is different with God. First, a Christian has already committed to serve and obey God, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to us if God tells us to do something; in fact, I often find myself asking God to knock me over the head and give me more instruction!

Secondly, since we've given ourselves to God, giving our money is a small step. We already know we want His will to be done, so if He wants to use our money to do it, we should be honored, because He doesn't NEED us for anything. After all, He's God. He chooses to let us help accomplish His will by His grace.

And thirdly, of course, God gives us our money in the first place. You may say hard work gets you your money, but God gives you the job you have, He let you be born in a country that gives you opportunity to earn money, he gave you the mind you have to do what you need to, your health, and the list goes on and on. Why would we resist giving some of God's money back to Him?

Jun 17, 2008 12:43:07 GMT -5 ].[Man-Slaughter said:

I was talking to my church friend and he was telling me that people have been healed and when they have. Many have convereted to the religion. Also that the penticostal church is the ones that really delve into the healing and such. He continued to tell me of a story of how a priest went to a muslim country. Started to heal people and he asked who wants to be saved from Christ and the only village converted. Something like that is more believable to me then the TV healers. Also is it possible for someone to gain the 12 gifts of ummm i forget what it is but I'm sure you heard of it.

Some of the stories you hear are undoubtedly true, some aren't, but it's true, miraculous healings do happen. "The 12 gifts of" doesn't ring any bells, but I don't really want to delve too deeply into denominational issues anyway, if I can help it. With all the things we can agree on, I'd hope we could avoid a debate on this particular thread...

[].[Man-Slaughter]

I wasn't trying to start a debate, I was just seeing everyone's opinion on certain things. But one thing we can agree on is that I'm a good AA player lol.

Right now, I'm on the fence about converting. So in time, I'll see.

Anyways, ummmm does anyone still play AA or you just cruise the forums?

[Gardener-=Of-God=-]

Well, I certainly hope you will choose to accept God's gift, but keep in mind that it is more than just "converting." There is a commitment involved, and a lot more of a reward than just heaven. True Christianity is a personal relationship with God. When you become a Christian, He becomes to you more than just God almighty who will reign and judge in the end. He becomes your close friend as well.

Suffice it to say that we're talking about the most important and significant decision you will ever make.

And BTW, I just got off #1. Guess I just missed ya!

[].[Man-Slaughter]

Also it's called The 12 gifts of the holy spirit, i forget what book it is in. Has anyone heard of Sherry Shriner?

[plcbratboy]

No I have been reading all of the post and I find this very intriguing! Now I have heard something about the 12 gifts or something of that matter! I do not fully remember it sort of reminds me of the 7 sacraments in the Catholic belief but I do not remember sorry hope I can help with future posts!



Citizen-=of-God=-~Preston

[plcbratboy]

Ohh I remember I think TV is only made or entrainment and not for realistic things besides like sports but I do find the hole thing on healing people on TV completely just NOT realistic!!

[].[Man-Slaughter]

Here is the 12 gifts of the holy spirit

check it out, also i agree with tv and the only real thing is the sports

ldolphin.org/rrrgifts.html